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#1minerrick 
Feb 201316 7 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting CBD has been busy- very entertaining reading
CBD has been busy: Tribes, Conservationists and Fishermen Ask State to Close Loophole in California's Suction Dredge Mining Ban
Be sure to click on the Petition hyperlink in the first paragraph to see what is up their sleeves.
28 pages of very entertaining reading.
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#2Fullpan 
May 2012nevada643 269 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting
Looks like Dave Mack has done it again. By publicly promoting his gravel transfer "loophole", he just shortened dramatically the time period before the loophole was
discovered. It doesn't make much difference in the big picture.
However this petition could be copied almost word for word to attack the Combie Reservoir Mercury project AND the new mercury remediation project at
Malakoff S.P. with our own petition.
Or alternatively, petition the same dept of fish and wildlife with the science surrounding selenium's mitigating effects on mercury. As well as reminding
the dept that U S Supreme Court has ruled "pollution (mercury in sediment) moved from one area of the waterway to another is perfectly legal".
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#3Fullpan May 2012nevada643 269 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting
Rick - I sent you a PM, check upper right for "notifications"
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#4Hefty1 
Dec 2010700 103 times
Heres your hypocrite...
Jonathan Evans, Toxics and Endangered Species Campaign Director, Staff Attorney, works to protect imperiled wildlife from the threats of environmental contamination and reduce the toxic threats of pesticides, heavy metals and chemical pollution in our environment. Jonathan received his law degree from the University of Oregon School of Law and a bachelor’s degree in conservation and resource studies from the University of California at Berkeley. Prior to joining the Center, Jonathan worked at the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation managing ecosystem restoration grants. He also brings to the Center a background in the field of outdoor education as a naturalist and guide throughout California.
Contact: San Francisco, CA, 415.436.9682 ext. 318, jevans@biologicaldiversity.org
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#5Oakview2 
Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT734 285 times Prospecting
They used the New 49ers diagram in there petiton. What is hillarious, they bought the politicians to insert this into law, and now they are crying because the work around has skirted their stupid definition of suction dredging...
"The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2
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#6Hefty1 Dec 2010700 103 times
Just another young wonna be lawyer in it for the money...
Jonathan Carter (if that is his middle name) Evans should not be confused with Jonathan W Evans of Jonathan W Evans and Associates specializing in Securities Litigation and Southern California Super Lawyers 2007, 2008, and 2009. Nor should he be confused with John W Evans, Associate with Liebman, Quigley, Sheppard and Soulema. While both of these men went to Southwestern Law School, Jonathan Carter Evans, staff attorney for the Center for Biological Diversity, obtained his law degree from the University of Oregon School of Law.Jonathan's focus is with the Urban Wildlands Program protecting habitats and species from urban sprawl. With the Center for Biological Diversity, among many others, Jonathan has worked to prevent global warming in San Bernardino; worked to stop hydroelectric dams in Lake Elsinmore; worked against annexation near Joshua Tree National Park.In 2008, Jonathan, with the Center, filed suit against Wal-Mart to force the reduction of greenhouse emissions caused from contruction of the new store. Jonathan claims that Wal-Mart has failed to take measures to protect Joshua Tree National Park by building a supercenter in Yucca Valley. Jonathan says "The choices we make today will determine the future we leave to our grandchildren."In 2009, a suit was filed to seek protection of two rare butterfly species that were denied protection in 2007. Jonathan believes "It will take years to clean up the Bush administration's abysmal record on wildlife conservation."Jonathan is a true environmentalist. While an attorney by profession, it only helps his cause as environmentalist, naturalist, activist, protector of wildlife....and Joshua Tree National Park. less
Jonathan Carter (if that is his middle name) Evans should not be confused with Jonathan W Evans of Jonathan W Evans and Associates specializing in Securities Litigation and Southern California Super Lawyers 2007, 2008, and 2009. Nor should he be confused with John W Evans, Associate with Liebman, Quigley, Sheppard and Soulema. While both of these men went to Southwestern Law School, Jonathan Carter Evans, staff attorney for the Center for Biological Diversity, obtained his law degree from the University of Oregon School of Law.Jonathan's focus is with the Urban Wildlands Program protecting habitats and species from urban sprawl. With the Center for Biological Diversity, among many others, Jonathan has worked to prevent global warming in San Bernardino; worked to stop hydroelectric dams in Lake Elsinmore; worked against annexation near Joshua Tree National Park.In 2008, Jonathan, with the Center, filed suit against Wal-Mart to force the reduction of greenhouse emissions caused from contruction of the new store. Jonathan claims that Wal-Mart has failed to take measures to protect Joshua Tree National Park by building a supercenter in Yucca Valley. Jonathan says "The choices we make today will determine the fu more
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Jonathan Carter Evans obtained his undergraduate degree from the University of California, Berkeley before attending the School of Law at the University of Oregon, Eugene. He acquired his first license to practice law in California in 2006. Currently, Mr. Evans is practicing law with the Center for Biological Diversity, Los Angeles. Mr. Evans was one of four lawyers filing a petition on behalf of CBD and the Western Environmental Law Center over the Southwest National Interest Electric Transmission Corridors and how its designation violated the EPA, Federal Power Act, as well as the Endangered Species Act. The petition was dismissed
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#7Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT734 285 times Prospecting
Another Berkely Bioligist with unlimited funds and junk science..
Originally Posted by Hefty1
Heres your hypocrite...
Jonathan Evans, Toxics and Endangered Species Campaign Director, Staff Attorney, works to protect imperiled wildlife from the threats of environmental contamination and reduce the toxic threats of pesticides, heavy metals and chemical pollution in our environment. Jonathan received his law degree from the University of Oregon School of Law and a bachelor’s degree in conservation and resource studies from the University of California at Berkeley. Prior to joining the Center, Jonathan worked at the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation managing ecosystem restoration grants. He also brings to the Center a background in the field of outdoor education as a naturalist and guide throughout California.
Contact: San Francisco, CA, 415.436.9682 ext. 318, jevans@biologicaldiversity.org
"The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2
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#8Fullpan May 2012nevada643 269 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting
Notice how they cherry-pick the deep-pockets corps and govt agencies to hassle.
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#9Hefty1 Dec 2010700 103 times
The Center for Biological Diversity believes that the welfare of human beings is deeply linked to nature - to the existence in our world of a vast diversity of wild animals and plants. Because diversity has intrinsic value, and because its loss impoverishes society, we work to secure a future for all species, great and small, hovering on the brink of extinction. We do so through science, law, and creative media, with a focus on protecting the lands, waters, and climate that species need to survive. The Center has six program areas: Biodiversity, Climate, International, Oceans, Public Lands, and Urban Wildlands. The Center looks forward to a future of continued expansion, creativity, and no-holds-barred action on behalf of the world's most critically endangered animals and plants.
Using our money against us...again. STOP THE MONEY FLOW TO THESE NON PROFIT BSers.
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#10Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT734 285 times Prospecting
Smells like BULLSHIRT to me
Originally Posted by Hefty1The Center for Biological Diversity believes that the welfare of human beings is deeply linked to nature - to the existence in our world of a vast diversity of wild animals and plants. Because diversity has intrinsic value, and because its loss impoverishes society, we work to secure a future for all species, great and small, hovering on the brink of extinction. We do so through science, law, and creative media, with a focus on protecting the lands, waters, and climate that species need to survive. The Center has six program areas: Biodiversity, Climate, International, Oceans, Public Lands, and Urban Wildlands. The Center looks forward to a future of continued expansion, creativity, and no-holds-barred action on behalf of the world's most critically endangered animals and plants.
Using our money against us...again. STOP THE MONEY FLOW TO THESE NON PROFIT BSers.
"The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2
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#11Hefty1 Dec 2010700 103 times
DOJ Documents Confirm Center for Biological Diversity Received Millions in Taxpayer Funds from ESA-Related Lawsuits
WASHINGTON, D.C., June 27, 2012 - The Center for Biological Diversity today sent a letter to House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Doc Hastings claiming their organization had only received $553,000 in taxpayer funds resulting from Endangered Species Act (ESA) related attorney fees and court cases. This claim conflicts with data obtained from the Department of Justice (DOJ), which shows over $2 million in taxpayer dollars have been paid out to the Center for Biological Diversity and their attorneys for cases open between 2009-2012. The Center for Biological Diversity appears to have derived their erroneous number by including only checks made out directly to the Center for Biological Diversity over a select period of years. Attorney fees are typically paid out to the attorney of record. The Center for Biological Diversity is conveniently failing to include the majority of funds that were paid directly to their hired lawyers. Nine of the lawyers who have received payouts are currently employed by the Center for Biological Diversity.
“American taxpayers have a right to know how much of their money is going to pay attorneys and settlement costs for lawsuit-happy organizations that make a living off of suing the federal government. The numbers from the Justice Department speak for themselves,” said Chairman Hastings. “One frequent collector of taxpayer dollars spent a week inventing a way to misconstrue and hide data to make it appear as though they haven’t received millions in taxpayer dollars. The most direct way to have openness and transparency on exactly what funds a group has taken from taxpayers in ESA-related settlement and attorney fees is for them to publicly reveal all of their data for the past two decades.”
On March 19, 2012, Chairman Hastings sent a letter to the Environment and Natural Resources Division of the Department of Justice asking for detailed information on how much taxpayer money is being spent on ESA-related litigation and settlements. In response to this request, DOJ ran a search through their Case Management System (“CMS”) and provided the Committee information based on all cases where the ESA was one of the statutes at issue in the litigation.
According to this document from the DOJ containing 276 pages of case information, the Center for Biological Diversity was involved in over 50 individual cases, open between 2009 and 2012, where they were the lead plaintiff. The amount of attorney fees and court costs associated with these cases is $2,286,686.91. Of this amount, $138,114.45 was in court costs and $2,148,572.46 was in attorney fees.
These five examples alone of court cases filed by the Center for Biological Diversity where CBD received attorney fee payments between 2009-2012 far exceeds the $553,00 that the Center for Biological Diversity claims to have received:
Center for Biological Diversity v. Environmental Protection Agency, et. al. in California; paid $172,000 on November 22, 2010 to attorney for CBD Justin Augustine.
Center for Biological Diversity et. al., v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Montana; paid $165,000 on March 23, 2009 to attorney for CBD Geoff Hickox.
Center for Biological Diversity et. al., v. Kempthorne in Arizona; paid $159,044 on February 9, 2012 to attorney for CBD Melanie Kay.
Center for Biological Diversity v. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Arizona; paid $95,000 on April 23, 2010 to attorney for CBD Geoff Hickox.
Center for Biological Diversity et. al., v. Kempthorne in Arizona; paid $51,866 on August 13, 2009 to attorney for CBD John T. Buse.
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#12DesertNuggets 
Mar 2011Tucson, AZGold Bug 2365 50 times Prospecting
Originally Posted by Hefty1DOJ Documents Confirm Center for Biological Diversity Received Millions in Taxpayer Funds from ESA-Related Lawsuits
WASHINGTON, D.C., June 27, 2012 - The Center for Biological Diversity today sent a letter to House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Doc Hastings claiming their organization had only received $553,000 in taxpayer funds resulting from Endangered Species Act (ESA) related attorney fees and court cases. This claim conflicts with data obtained from the Department of Justice (DOJ), which shows over $2 million in taxpayer dollars have been paid out to the Center for Biological Diversity and their attorneys for cases open between 2009-2012. The Center for Biological Diversity appears to have derived their erroneous number by including only checks made out directly to the Center for Biological Diversity over a select period of years. Attorney fees are typically paid out to the attorney of record. The Center for Biological Diversity is conveniently failing to include the majority of funds that were paid directly to their hired lawyers. Nine of the lawyers who have received payouts are currently employed by the Center for Biological Diversity.
“American taxpayers have a right to know how much of their money is going to pay attorneys and settlement costs for lawsuit-happy organizations that make a living off of suing the federal government. The numbers from the Justice Department speak for themselves,” said Chairman Hastings. “One frequent collector of taxpayer dollars spent a week inventing a way to misconstrue and hide data to make it appear as though they haven’t received millions in taxpayer dollars. The most direct way to have openness and transparency on exactly what funds a group has taken from taxpayers in ESA-related settlement and attorney fees is for them to publicly reveal all of their data for the past two decades.”
On March 19, 2012, Chairman Hastings sent a letter to the Environment and Natural Resources Division of the Department of Justice asking for detailed information on how much taxpayer money is being spent on ESA-related litigation and settlements. In response to this request, DOJ ran a search through their Case Management System (“CMS&rdquo
and provided the Committee information based on all cases where the ESA was one of the statutes at issue in the litigation.
According to this document from the DOJ containing 276 pages of case information, the Center for Biological Diversity was involved in over 50 individual cases, open between 2009 and 2012, where they were the lead plaintiff. The amount of attorney fees and court costs associated with these cases is $2,286,686.91. Of this amount, $138,114.45 was in court costs and $2,148,572.46 was in attorney fees.
These five examples alone of court cases filed by the Center for Biological Diversity where CBD received attorney fee payments between 2009-2012 far exceeds the $553,00 that the Center for Biological Diversity claims to have received:
[*]Center for Biological Diversity v. Environmental Protection Agency, et. al. in California; paid $172,000 on November 22, 2010 to attorney for CBD Justin Augustine.
[*]Center for Biological Diversity et. al., v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in Montana; paid $165,000 on March 23, 2009 to attorney for CBD Geoff Hickox.
[*]Center for Biological Diversity et. al., v. Kempthorne in Arizona; paid $159,044 on February 9, 2012 to attorney for CBD Melanie Kay.
[*]Center for Biological Diversity v. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Arizona; paid $95,000 on April 23, 2010 to attorney for CBD Geoff Hickox.
[*]Center for Biological Diversity et. al., v. Kempthorne in Arizona; paid $51,866 on August 13, 2009 to attorney for CBD John T. Buse.
Nice little racket they've got going.
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#13Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT734 285 times Prospecting
Is this Miner Rick from Clovis
Originally Posted by minerrickCBD has been busy: Tribes, Conservationists and Fishermen Ask State to Close Loophole in California's Suction Dredge Mining Ban
Be sure to click on the Petition hyperlink in the first paragraph to see what is up their sleeves.
28 pages of very entertaining reading.
"The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2
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#14B H Prospector 
Feb 2010Black Hills, South Dakota321 139 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting
These foneies call themselves naturalist, and nature experts but I doubt any of them have ever spent any amount of time in the wilderness except in an organized paved layed out campground and never even left the groomed walking nature paths. They think they know nature but they know nothing. The one's who truely know nature are the hunters and trappers. Fisherman and miners. the loggers and farmers and ranchers. The people who actually use nature are the ones who know it and understand it. You have to live it. You can't get it from books.
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#15Fullpan May 2012nevada643 269 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting
Originally Posted by Oakview2Is this Miner Rick from ClovisNo Ron - its minerick from WMA i think.
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#16minerrick Feb 201316 7 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting
I am one of the founders of WMA- but that doesn't necessarily mean I know anything.....
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#17Hefty1 Dec 2010700 103 times
Dont cut yourself short Rick. 
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#18Hefty1 Dec 2010700 103 times
Originally Posted by B H ProspectorThese foneies call themselves naturalist, and nature experts but I doubt any of them have ever spent any amount of time in the wilderness except in an organized paved layed out campground and never even left the groomed walking nature paths. They think they know nature but they know nothing. The one's who truely know nature are the hunters and trappers. Fisherman and miners. the loggers and farmers and ranchers. The people who actually use nature are the ones who know it and understand it. You have to live it. You can't get it from books.AMEN!
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#19Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT734 285 times Prospecting
Rick
Recently started reading your forum at the request of Fullpan. Great board with very informed posters and tons of good articles and insight on the soft underbelly of the enemy most of us are not privy to. Thanks for the work you are doing. Anybody who gives up their time for the cause is a big deal
Originally Posted by minerrickI am one of the founders of WMA- but that doesn't necessarily mean I know anything.....
"The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2
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#20Fullpan May 2012nevada643 269 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting
Although I have never met minerick, I've tried to help out from my computer doing some research, etc. I watched him go from a simple dredger/clainowner
to a self-informed, tireless worker-traveler for the cause. Contrary to most advocates, he spends virtually no time asking for donations, but relies on the few
dollars from bumper-sticker sales, etc. His patience sometimes wears thin (imagine explaining who the Sierra Fund is 100 times a month!) and I'm sure he's
asked "why me"? "how did I end up in Wash. D.C. instead of my remote mining claim". After nearly 2 years most advocacy groups would have an office
staff to make sure the day-to-day ops ran smoothly - rick has a couple friends who are fellow dredgers. Hope I didn't embarrass you Rick, rock on.
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