CA Water Board Recommends Banning Dredging Forever, written 3/11/2013

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Discoveries »  +  ?  Results 1 to 19 of 19 10Likes TopAllThis Page 1Post By kuger 1Post By Oakview2 2Post By Oakview2 2Post By Fullpan 1Post By Aurabbit79er 1Post By Fullpan 1Post By jog 1Post By Aurabbit79er Thread: CA Water Board Recommends Banning Dredging Forever, written 3/11/2013«Prev Thread | Next Thread»LinkBack LinkBack URL About LinkBacksThread ToolsShow Printable VersionEmail this Page…Subscribe to this Thread… Ignore this ThreadSearch Thread Advanced SearchDisplayLinear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded ModeMar 15, 2013, 04:07 PM#1spillercanyon Jan 2012Tuolumne CountyTesorro LST58 51 times Prospecting CA Water Board Recommends Banning Dredging Forever, written 3/11/2013

Here is a link to the report issued Monday March 11, 2013 in which it states that the Board recommends banning dredging forever. It doesn't cover any of the good that dredging does including the benefits of removing mercury from the waterways, of coarse. The bottom of page 2 does indicate that the lack of a sluice is considered not dredging, for now as it is on their radar.

http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/water_issues...ecm1043735.pdf

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Mar 15, 2013, 04:23 PM#2kuger Nov 2007California,M.X.T.& Tesoro Tejon7,819 1106 times Banner Finds (1)Gold & Silver

Unbelievable...but not really........Libland

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Reply With Quote Mar 15, 2013, 09:37 PM#3ray in ny Jan 2006southern tier nyWHITE'S CLASSIC III65 15 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

Same people banning dredging are against the Second Amendment. It is the same nindset--the government knows best, their perceptions are more important than our freedoms. Dredging is digging up the environment--bad; guns kill people--bad. Keep this in mind.

Reply With Quote Mar 15, 2013, 10:26 PM#4Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT716 277 times Prospecting

These a-holes are so "Open Minded", their brains have fallen out. If they think a six inch dredge can stir up mercury, what the h#ll does mother nature do after a major rain event. Last I checked she doesn't remove the old timers mercury, or the naturally occuring mercury that is deposited by Cinnibar deposits. More junk science from appointed knuckleheads that can't grab their arse with either hand Color me pissed off........

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Reply With Quote Mar 15, 2013, 10:28 PM#5Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT716 277 times Prospecting

PS... We need one the cases either in Plumas or San Bernadino to overturn these dipsticks and their ruling class mentality...

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Reply With Quote Mar 15, 2013, 11:24 PM#6Fullpan May 2012nevada616 256 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

Had another dream - this time the County Board of Supervisors passed an entry tax on out-of-county users of trails. Hikers - $150/day. Bikes an additional
$100 due to "significant environmental impacts", plus usual parking fees. More than the enviros can play this game.

Aurabbit79er and kuger like this. Reply With Quote Yesterday, 01:27 AM#7Aurabbit79er Oct 2012Southern CaliforniaA cheap little Bounty Hunter297 134 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

The control freaks are at it again. When it comes right down to it we just have to overwhelm them by getting every dredge in the state all running at the same time, on the same day, and create a legal traffic jam. I know they are wrong, you know they are wrong, they think they are right, sometimes seeing is believing. We need to show them they are wrong.

We need to set up a massive dredging expedition, where we descend on rivers all over the state, at the same time and on the same day, in concentrated group's and stand our ground, and when we see another dredger being challenged we go over to assist that dredger and arm ourselves with as much legal paperwork as we can to stand and defend the dredger. We need to create physical solidarity. We can't let them get away with it.

I have never been one to promote public disobedience, but this is pissing me off. I bought a dredge and six months later I found out California had put a moratorium on dredging before I even got a chance to get it wet.

I can only guess that there must be thousands may be even 100,000 miners in the state that have motorized suction dredges. This is like buying a new car telling me all the roads are closed. This is unacceptable.
Help us Obi-Wan, you're our only hope.

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Reply With Quote Yesterday, 01:35 AM#8N8Longly Mar 2012Northern CaliforniaGold Bug 2156 53 times Prospecting

Originally Posted by Aurabbit79erThe control freaks are at it again. When it comes right down to it we just have to overwhelm them by getting every dredge in the state all running at the same time, on the same day, and create a legal traffic jam. I know they are wrong, you know they are wrong, they think they are right, sometimes seeing is believing. We need to show them they are wrong.

We need to set up a massive dredging expedition, where we descend on rivers all over the state, at the same time and on the same day, in concentrated group's and stand our ground, and when we see another dredger being challenged we go over to assist that dredger and arm ourselves with as much legal paperwork as we can to stand and defend the dredger. We need to create physical solidarity. We can't let them get away with it.

I have never been one to promote public disobedience, but this is pissing me off. I bought a dredge and six months later I found out California and put it a moratorium on dredging before I even got a chance to get it wet.

I can only guess that there must be thousands may be even 100,000 miners in the state that have motorized suction dredges. This is like buying a new car telling me all the roads are closed. This is unacceptable.
Help us Obi-Wan, you're our only hope.That would be something to do. Line up a hundred dredges in the same stretch of a river. They wouldn't know how to handle it. Move from river to river all across the state. Hehehehe >

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 08:39 AM#9Hoser John Mar 2003Redding,Calif.2,264 300 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

can ya'all feel the love right now...then high banking...then sluice boxes...then panning....adios-John

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 08:59 AM#10homestead-hunter Jan 2013Roswell, New MexicoGarrett GTI 2500BH Elite 2200117 41 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

Thats why I dont live In Cali. Too many Rules. Too many people. Any place that infringes on my 2nd amendment rights is bye bye. What a Nazi State.

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 11:08 AM#11Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT716 277 times Prospecting

Same thing the folks in Oregon said.... Look where they are at, facing the same song and dance.


Originally Posted by homestead-hunterThats why I dont live In Cali. Too many Rules. Too many people. Any place that infringes on my 2nd amendment rights is bye bye. What a Nazi State.

"The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 12:03 PM#12Fullpan May 2012nevada616 256 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

This is an excellent idea. Its been done successfully countless times in last hundred years (mass protests). All it takes is total commitment and willingness
to sacrifice everything. It was done by people who are disabled Americans (crawling up the steps to the nation's capitol and occupying the congressional
hallways). It was done by Martin Luther's followers for their civil rights. It was done by students at Kent State and Vietnam protestors who successfully
challenged the "communist domino effect" in Southeast Asia. As of now, you know the 2nd Amendment advocates are going to win, why?, because they
are totally commited and there's a whole lot of them. Yet to be determined - the overthrowing of Assad in Syria, but the rebels are willing to sacrifice everything. This is not about right or wrong beliefs, its about how far are you willing to go to achieve your goal.

Way back, Hoser John staged the protest you are describing. He defied the authorities on the trinity river in hopes that fellow miners would join him.
Turns out, he stood virtually alone, and failed. Again this is NOT about John, but about the necessity to all believers involved in total commitment, including
personal safety and financial ruin. If you are not prepared to make real sacrifice, if whining about your rights is as far as you are willing to go, do yourselves
a favor and just SHUT THE HLL UP!

kuger likes this. Reply With Quote Yesterday, 12:19 PM#13goldog Sep 2012Tujunga, CA70 16 times Prospecting

That's the problem. We would need enough people to "put up" in order to overwhelm the authorities and get the attention of patriotic Americans who may join our cause.

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 02:40 PM#14jog Nov 2008Tillamook OregonWhites MXT852 11 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

ARE YOU THERE YET ?

Fullpan likes this. Reply With Quote Yesterday, 03:43 PM#15Fullpan May 2012nevada616 256 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

Getting closer but vast majority are still in the "why me? Why can't I just be left alone to do my thing" category It sure would be a powerful thing for calif.
to join Ore. fighters. The leadership has just about given up on miners here in Calif. - instead they are reaching out to farmers, the DRA, the libertarian party,
county supervisors, etc. to gain support for individual rights. Sad.

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 06:22 PM#16ncclaymaker Aug 2011Raleigh,NC92 7 times Prospecting

Why is everyone getting so upset.? I visited California recently to find that the state has been "Californicated" to the core. As an artisan, I found that most of the reputable and skilled artisans have already left for Arizona, New Mexico and elsewhere. So I ask... what is all of the moaning about? I've said in the past... relocate to a place where the "people climate" is not as hostile. A friend of mine, who was leaving for Texas, stated it quite simply... if what you are doing produces a smile or a good feeling, California will immediately place a "fee" on that activity. Ours included.

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 07:26 PM#17N8Longly Mar 2012Northern CaliforniaGold Bug 2156 53 times Prospecting

Originally Posted by ncclaymakerWhy is everyone getting so upset.? I visited California recently to find that the state has been "Californicated" to the core. As an artisan, I found that most of the reputable and skilled artisans have already left for Arizona, New Mexico and elsewhere. So I ask... what is all of the moaning about? I've said in the past... relocate to a place where the "people climate" is not as hostile. A friend of mine, who was leaving for Texas, stated it quite simply... if what you are doing produces a smile or a good feeling, California will immediately place a "fee" on that activity. Ours included.Most people can't just relocate. Some of us are stuck here. And some people like California minus the ridiculous laws and regulations.

Reply With Quote Yesterday, 07:34 PM#18Oakview2 Feb 2012Prather CAWhites GMT716 277 times Prospecting

When it comes to your state, where will you run to?


Originally Posted by ncclaymakerWhy is everyone getting so upset.? I visited California recently to find that the state has been "Californicated" to the core. As an artisan, I found that most of the reputable and skilled artisans have already left for Arizona, New Mexico and elsewhere. So I ask... what is all of the moaning about? I've said in the past... relocate to a place where the "people climate" is not as hostile. A friend of mine, who was leaving for Texas, stated it quite simply... if what you are doing produces a smile or a good feeling, California will immediately place a "fee" on that activity. Ours included.

"The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2

Reply With Quote Today, 04:31 AM#19Aurabbit79er Oct 2012Southern CaliforniaA cheap little Bounty Hunter297 134 times All Types Of Treasure Hunting

Originally Posted by Oakview2When it comes to your state, where will you run to?I live in the middle of the city of Los Angeles, an hour and a half from the mountains, and two hours from the desert. I lived in and was born in Orange County. I also lived in Northern California in Roseville and Citrus Heights. Except for a couple years living in Texas, I have spent my entire life living in California. This is a great state, it's been said many times before "As goes California, so goes the Nation" This state is a trendsetter. If we let California government squeeze us out of state, someday there won't be any other states to run to. We need a precedent setting event that is in our favor. Nothing worthwhile comes without a fight. I have a history in this state, gold miners also have a history in the state. We can't lose that history, but I have seen much of that history trampled on. This state was not built by bankers politicians and lawyers. It was built by miners, farmers, and ranchers who had the muscles and guts to build a life in the New World.Those farms and ranches had environmental impacts on the state. Building cities and towns had environmental impacts on the state. Mining has had environmental impact on the state. The most damaging type of mining, hydraulic mining, was outlawed in California first. Not even present day miners would disagree how damaging hydraulic mining was. Suction dredge mining has been used for years and years. We should have enough evidence to show the beneficial effects of suction dredging against the minimal negative effects. Personally I don't see any negative affects other than exhaust gases from an internal combustion engine. We need strong scientific support and publicity to counteract all the negative press small-scale miners are getting. George Massey started the Outdoor Channel for just that reason. His sons are continuing that work. I said I would never join Facebook, but now that I have had begun to see the power that is possible, combined with YouTube our efforts could go viral. So we have the tools and we have the talent we need experts and promoters. There has to be some kind of ex post facto against changing the rules after we have already been allowed to mine on valid River claims using current mining equipment. I know we can drum up support in court public opinion. We are part of that court. We can't remain individual lone gunmen. I hate to say it, as I never really considered possible but maybe we need a small-scale miners union. Please don't shoot me I'm just the messenger. I'm hoping we can throw enough ideas out there something is going to stick to the wall, and we can all agree on it and act on it. These guys who are trying to stop us I don't think believe we have the guts to fight back in any real sense. Let's prove them wrong. I'm not an expert. I'm not politically connected. I'm sure as hell not rich. In fact I am not even employed. But I am passionate about stopping all those who don't respect our rights and freedoms. It's like they can have their rights and freedoms, but we can't have our rights and freedoms. The government is becoming a double standard contradiction.
I don't know, I keep trying to figure this out. I won't be chased out of public lands that my Grandfather, my Father, Me, and my Family have been camping on for the last 70+ years. While fishing with my grandfather back in the 40s, my mother found a gold nugget on the East Fork San Gabriel River right at the edge of the water. It was as big as her thumbnail, a very nice flake. I want my grandkids to have the same opportunity.

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And If anyone inspires me to try something new, or better, I thank them now.

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